GW Distances...FYI

[MAJ DG]

Here's a spreadsheet with the distances for the various pin placements at GW. They were measured with a 300 ft tape and or a surveying wheel where necessary. I was bored one day and played around with different combinations to see what kind of overall course length we could come up with.

[MAJ DG]

Here's the layout of the front.

[MAJ DG]

Here's the layout of the back.

[Rob H]

Do you have the PARs on all the holes at the different lengths ?

[Thomas M]

Everything is officially a par 3. That may not be realistic for new players on some holes but thats how score is kept for all general purposes. When someone says they shot 3 over/under, whatever, that is based on all holes being scored as par 3's


Major, that signature line may need some review.

And those are some great graphics, we coulf print those out for new tee box signage. Maybe lamenat them.

[Jebb]

awesome richard! did you draw those layouts?

[Justin L]

Cool stuff!

11 looks kinda skewed and 15 and 16 are missing a pin placement each, but other than that those are spot on!

["Tiger"]

I think 11 looks so skewed cause its actually missing both long placements :-P. That long one thats being shown looks more like the OLD long one that used to be almost at the bench on 12.

[ditchell]

awesome job man.

and now i'll go cry because i thought i could throw further than i actually can.

[Thomas M]

and now i'll go cry because i thought i could throw further than i actually can.[/QUOTE]

Now there is about the most honest statement on this board. Its a sad day when you honestly step off a 'big' throw and find out your no where near as long as you thought. I feel your pain here. The end of the first path on hole 5 is only about 320 feet Doh!

[Parkntwoputt]

and now i'll go cry because i thought i could throw further than i actually can.

Now there is about the most honest statement on this board. Its a sad day when you honestly step off a 'big' throw and find out your no where near as long as you thought. I feel your pain here. The end of the first path on hole 5 is only about 320 feet Doh!


Yeah, I remember when Hanan was telling me he could throw over 500ft. This was while we were down in Mobile at SN Doubles. We get back up to GW and throw on hole 5. He makes it about 20-30ft past the short basket, and I end up just barely past it. Of course happy with my throw Hanan tells me "dude, you can throw over 500ft too! You just did." He was reading the tee sign. And this was shortly after Richard and I went out and measured the holes with the wheel and tape.

Hanan was so disappointed he wasn't throwing well over 500ft. Apparently his 450ft throws were too mediocre.

Yeah, there is the abnormality of message board "D". I always figure I will eventually have to prove how far I can throw so why lie about it. What I love is people who tell me they can throw up near 500ft. So when were playing a 400-450ft hole and I have an easy putt while they are sitting 100ft back, I get a huge internal chuckle. Most people are amazed when they see a disc fly over 400ft. To see a disc actually fly 500+ is mind blowing.....it just goes and goes and goes...it seems to defy gravity. If any body has ever seen or thrown a disc over a true 500ft on flat ground know what I am talking about.:cool:

I am determined to hit the second tree in the air! Before Tiger does.

[Jebb]

I usually throw about 15ft shy of the second sidewalk pretty regularly on hole 5. Only crossed it once, but I'm getting more D every day - especially with the new DGA/Discraft Rogue. The second tree sounds like a nice goal! ;)

Reminds me, what do you guys use to work out your arms/wrists? Any top-secret devices other than bands and gyroscopes?

[Justin L]

Must. not. make. easy. masturbation. joke. ARGGHHHHHH!

[Parkntwoputt]

To try and avoid Justin's lead....LOL!!!!

On a serious note I really don't know exactly how I could throw far. I was getting past the 2nd sidewalk after only playing for 3 months.

I played a lot with Tom, TK, and Thacker early on in my game, basically just trying to mimic and imitate them.

But in short I just tried to "throw Frisbee hard". Form and technique followed from playing with the three mentioned above.

My lower arms have always been strong, hereditary in my fathers side we all have that knot of muscle up near the elbow - about the size of a golf ball, kinda freaky too! But I have always played musical instruments that use the fingers. So strengthening them has indirectly strengthened my lower arms I guess. But don't get too frustrated by one persons advancement over yours. Sure I could throw a golf disc about 400ft after 3 months, but I was throwing an Ultimate Disc >200ft 11 years ago, and started playing Ultimate 14 years ago. 14 years is a long time to be competitively throwing a Frisbee and has it's benefits.

["Tiger"]

work your triceps and your core. Definately your core. If you have a strong core you have more torque. Now unfortunately kris and I have the advatange of also having long arms, which helps with leverage, but a stong core will definately add some D.

I'm sure you'll hit the 2nd tree before me kris, you're more determined 8-). I don't see the true need for anything more than about 450, which on a really good day I could hit. My farthest throw is about 430 I think (between the two trees on 5), but on average I'm probably around 410-415, which is plenty good enough for me. Easy three on all but the longest of courses.

[MAJ DG]

Jebb, I got crude beginnings of these drawings years ago from someone, can't remember who... maybe Fred Hallaman. I have kept them relatively up-to-date and modified them to more accurately show vegetation and trees vs. fairways. I also added the wood holes. Of course, the course has continued to evolve since I last made changes (3A has been moved; 11's pin placements have been drastically changed; 12 has lost its long left placement; 14 has lost its long right placement; D and E have had placements added; 15 has had the lefty heizer placement added; 16 has had the GG long placement added; and 18C has been removed). Maybe its time for a new update. I'll get to work on that ASAP.

[Jebb]

I'm talking to my artist pal Wes about getting these done up in vector so we can edit and share them easier, plus make some 3-color vinyl signs. I'll talk with you later - I want to make sure that whatever we do is useful on many fronts.

[Justin L]

Yeah, getting these in a format that we can edit/use would be a good idea. I do alot of my work in Photoshop which doesn't lend well to sharing with others unfortunatly.

[Tim Keith]

I can print them, i mainly work in illustrator and photoshop,all i need to print them is an eps file or pdf.

TK

[Jebb]

cool, should have some illustrator files done in the next couple weeks.

Hopefully we can use Feb-March as work time out on the courses and get both worthy of praise by the time Spring rolls in :)

[drdisc]

I was just contacted by someone who want's to update our course description on the web . Anyway, he needs the distance's for the 6 extra holes. Anyone know them?
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[i2rt]

I was just contacted by someone who want's to update our course description on the web . Anyway, he needs the distance's for the 6 extra holes. Anyone know them?

I took these from Richards spreadsheet at the bottom of this thread. They look pretty close.

A 200
B 336
C 214
D 182
E 292
F 255

[MAJ DG]

I took these from Richards spreadsheet at the bottom of this thread. They look pretty close.

A 200
B 336
C 214
D 182
E 292
F 255

As mentioned upthread, though, D and E are the measurements for the original positions. Both have the new placements that seem to have become "permanent" since neither has been moved back to its other placement since the creation of the "new" ones.

[Glen Iris Southpaw]

today was good...played 18 with monroe and 18 with hannon....both have such beautiful drives....just amazes me how easy tom makes it look.....what a wonderful day....hell yeah

[Lowe]

I was just contacted by someone who want's to update our course description on the web . Anyway, he needs the distance's for the 6 extra holes. Anyone know them?

Tom,

Was that person me?

Lowe Bibby
Raleigh NC

[Lowe]

Here's the layout of the back.

Great work on the maps! I just registered for this forum and was looking for maps like this.

Thanks for making them!

Lowe
Raleigh NC

[drdisc]

Yes it was Lowe. See what a good group we have here. Make yourself known next time you are here.
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[Jebb]

I replied to the email, but I didnt have time to fill out earthlink's permission form ;)

[Lowe]

I replied to the email, but I didnt have time to fill out earthlink's permission form ;)

Jebb,

I got the info. Thank you! It's just what I was looking for. I'll email you back soon b/c I have a question.

Lowe

[Lowe]

Do y'all still have this map somewhere?

[Lowe]

My hobby is playing and evaluating new courses. I'm currently updating my personal evaluation of George Ward, so I want to make sure that I get the lengths correct. I compared the lengths on the maps to the lengths on the spreadsheet, and found a few discrepancies. I wonder if you can help me clear it up? I also thought that you'd like to know about it to get the two to match.

On all but hole 11 two layouts were transposed. The holes in question are:
2 B&C
4 A&B
11 A-E
12 C&D
14 B&C
18 B&C

See my attached spreadsheet for the numbers.

I assume that the spreadsheet has the correct lengths, but I'd like to make sure.

Thanks for your help.

Lowe
Raleigh NC

[Lowe]

Of course, the course has continued to evolve since I last made changes
(3A has been moved;
11's pin placements have been drastically changed;
12 has lost its long left placement;
14 has lost its long right placement;
15 has had the lefty heizer placement added;
16 has had the GG long placement added;
18C has been removed).

So do changes also need to be made to the lengths on the spreadsheet?
3A- is it 269?
11- Are A-C lengths accurate?
Is 12D (366') gone?
Is 14D (367) gone?
15. Lefty hyzer-- What letter and length?
16. Is this only used for the GG? Is it ever set up for casual play?
18C- should it be deleted?

[Lowe]

18C has been removed
18C- should it be deleted?

18 B & C are two of the lengths with discrepancies. By 18C do you mean the length of 283 or 312? I'm assuming you mean the basket position on the map on the far right side. (It's shown as C- 283). Is that right?

[Jebb]

Do y'all still have this map somewhere?
I dont, but this is great to have. Thanks for posting it!

I'm not sure about your other questions, I'm thinking Tom or Richard may be best suited...

[Tim k]

hey lowe next time your in town you neeed to come check out our other course it trussville, about 20 minutes north up 59.

TK

[Lowe]

hey lowe next time your in town you neeed to come check out our other course it trussville.

I played about 6 holes at Civitan in July 2006. That was all that my 13 year old son and 85 year old Father-in-Law (playing for his first time) could handle, esp in the summer heat. The course looked to have lots of potential; I look forward to going there again.

[Lowe]

I want to make sure that I get the lengths correct. I compared the lengths on the maps to the lengths on the spreadsheet, and found a few discrepancies.

On all but hole 11 two layouts were transposed. The holes in question are:
2 B&C
4 A&B
11 A-E
12 C&D
14 B&C
18 B&C


After studying the maps again, my latest theory is that the Excel spreadsheet is wrong and the maps are correct. Hole 11 is a separate case, but on all of the other holes the Excel lengths have the length follow alphabetical order. What I mean is that it always has B longer than A, C longer than B, D longer than C, etc. The person seemed to be following a paradigm that after the A layout the hole length was always longer. I suspect that that assumption isn't valid. On the maps, for the holes in question, the number lower in the alphabet is sometimes the shorter length.

The best case is hole 4. As far as I know the map is correct. The A layout is across the water at 246' and B is over to the right and shorter at 217'.

Hole 18 seems to be the same. The B position (straight and open) is longer than the old C position (that has been removed).

It would be quite natural for the compiler of the Excel spreadsheet to assume that after A the layouts always got longer. This would account well for the transposition. On the other hand, the map maker would also have only put the layouts shorter if those were how they really were. He would have no reason to switch them.

Hole 11 has to be decided separately, although the same idea may partially apply.

What do you think of this theory?

Lowe
Raleigh NC

P.S.- It's interesting how my work with New Testament textual criticism has helped me understand how scribal errors happen.

[Lowe]

On hole 11, how many basket positions does it currently have?

["Tiger"]

4 - the short right, straight middle, long straight and super long

[Lowe]

4 - the short right, straight middle, long straight and super long

Thanks. How about layout letters (A-D) and lengths?

Which of the current layouts match the map? See attachment.

["Tiger"]

yeah, I'd have to agree that someone probably just assumed the lengths of placements increased in alphabetical order. Looking at this map, the only placements that are accurate are B, and C. D is more central, and that E placement I don't think is still being used either. A is pretty much gone as well (hasn't been used since I first started playing back in 03).

What I've suggested to the club is that we go back through and rename the holes (mainly for basket rotation purposes) so that we have a more varied setup as opposed to everything being long or everything being short. If this happens then more than likely all the maps will have to be adjusted accordingly. So I would suggest you just keep an ear posted to the site and look for any changes and updates. We have a lot of course manangement ideas in the works as well as caddy guides that will probably be placed on the site, so bear with us. :cool:

[Lowe]

Tiger,

Thanks for the info.

Thanks, too, to everyone who works on the course!

Lowe

[Lowe]

I've almost finished my update of my course review for GW. The only thing I still need are the correct lengths for hole 11.

From Tiger's post it sounds like the baskets are
B = 185
C = 273

Does D still = 299?

And if A is gone then have the others been relabeled? or do they just need to be relabeled? My question is-- Is there an A position?

Thanks for any final help you can give me.

Lowe

["Tiger"]

well like I said before, because so many new positions have been added, we're gonna need to go back through and relabel many of them in terms of "A" "B" and "C". The only placements on that map that are anywhere close to right are the one to the right (I think its labeled as B right now) and the center one (C maybe?) D is way off, the left placement (A?) doesn't even exist and the super long E is not in that spot anymore. Again, we're in the process of getting all of this set up and made available online.